Kendor gonna be thrilled when Breeze slashes wages by another third in exchange for company scrip redeemable for filet mignon sandwiches. The concept does turn on to be "too good to be true" at least for me, just based on the insurance matter alone. Welcome! See point 2. *Layovers will be rare (mechanical issues, weather), trip planning will be turns out and back same day. Breeze vs. JetBlue pilot pay Here's JetBlue's Embraer 190 pilot pay scale: First officers are paid $89 per hour in year one, and $130 per hour in year six Captains are paid $192 per hour in year one, and $203 per hour in year six Pilots are guaranteed pay for 75 hours per month of flying In other words: I cringe at labeling jobs without limitless potential for professional growth as "dead-end". The company hopes to take flight just over two years later, with service launching later this year. Its not gonna work. As a former 40 year flight attendant, I can assure you if there is an emergency on board, you will be in much better off and in much more capable hands with a 25-40 year flight attendant than a 20 year old airhead! The founder of the airline is David Neeleman, the same guy behind JetBlue. I wonder if their First Class will have free food and drinks (like JetBlue) or if they're taking the Spirit Big Front Seat approach. The job may fit more workers than you think. may be it is totally moronic. Breeze Airways is a new airline thats expected to launch in the US in early 2021. share. Breeze Now, Pay Later. Of course, what's needed is a severe pilot shortage to really change up the whole industry. What sets Breeze Airways hourly salaries apart is the monthly hourly guarantee, which is only 55 hours, or at most, $7,865 per month before taxes (for Captains in their sixth year). The *interns* that get suckered into this are clearly being taken advantage of and exploited. And they likely will try to launch with no union, am I right? Please view our advertising policy page for additional details about our partners, Pilots generally get paid for flight hours; the hourly rate might seems high, but pilots arent getting paid for anywhere close to 40 hours per week of work, Pay varies depending on whether youre captain or first officer, and each year your pay typically increases, up to a certain cap, Other than hourly pay, one other important metric is minimum guaranteed monthly hours, since guaranteed hours multiplied by hourly pay guarantees your minimum monthly pay, First officers will be paid $55 per hour in year one, and $94 per hour in year six, Captains will be paid $117 per hour in year one, and $143 per hour in year six, Pilots are only guaranteed pay for 55 hours per month of flying (this is really the worst part, since pilots at most airlines are guaranteed 75+ hours per month), A first officer is looking at earning $36,300 in the first year, and $62,040 in the sixth year, A captain is looking at earning $77,220 in the first year, and $94,380 in the sixth year, In absolute terms these are above average salaries in the US, However, pilot training is expensive, and an Embraer 195 has nearly 120 seats, so its bigger than your typical regional jet; also, the airline will eventually fly A220s, and presumably pay wont be much better, Breeze is expecting more from pilots than regional airlines, as applicants already need a type rating for Embraer aircraft, and also need more experience, Lets compare Breeze pilot pay to JetBlue pilot pay, since, Lets compare Breeze pilot pay to SkyWest pilot pay; pilots often go to regional airlines to gain experience early on, and this typically represents the lowest pay youll find in the airline industry, First officers are paid $89 per hour in year one, and $130 per hour in year six, Captains are paid $192 per hour in year one, and $203 per hour in year six, Pilots are guaranteed pay for 75 hours per month of flying, A JetBlue Embraer 190 first officer is looking at earning $80,100 in the first year, and $117,000 in the sixth year, A JetBlue Embraer 190 captain is looking at earning $172,800 in the first year, and $182,700 in the sixth year, First officers are paid $45 per hour in year one, and $59 per hour in year six, Captains are paid $79 per hour in year one, and $91 per hour in year six, Pilots are guaranteed pay for 76 hours per month of flying, A first officer is looking at earning $41,040 in the first year, and $53,808 in the sixth year, A captain is looking at earning $72,048 in the first year, and $82,992 in the sixth year, The most unreasonable part of Breezes pay arrangement is the minimum guaranteed hours, rather than the hourly rate as such; everyone needs a certain amount of money to cover their bills, and the minimum monthly amount sure is low, Breeze is essentially trying to pay like a regional airline, while requiring more experience to get hired (pilots need to be type rated on Embraer aircraft, and need 1,000 hours of fixed-wing turbine time), Between the flight attendant employment arrangement and the pilot pay, it doesnt seems like Breeze is trying to build a culture that encourages employees to stay with the company long term, It takes years (and a lot of money) to get to the point where you can get this job, youre flying a plane that retails for tens of millions of dollars, and you have the lives of nearly 120 people at a time in your hands, and youre potentially being paid ~16% above a $15 minimum wage (which we have in many cities nowadays). You and your self-interested cronies don't get to decide what type of jobs people choose to take. The Breeze pilots, once hired, will see the minimum hour guarantee as a point of shame and quickly set up union representation. (the "free" school and housing comes out of their pay just as much as if they got full pay, and paid for the school/housing themselves). Not everyone is born into wealth and that could be one of the deciding factors for people to apply. How awful that Neeleman is forcing people to work under these conditions with a gun to their head! New airplane, new business model. Our business address is: New. Why not schedule surgery with a doctor as an intern? So, that will be difficult. What do you make of these Breeze insights? I was one of them 20 years ago but was not treated close to as bad as this sounds. Would you pay your doctor, lawyer, nurse, even architect, engineer, electrician, plumber, welder etc. 3) Solid work experience in my chosen industry! That sums up who youll be flying behind if you choose to fly on this completely unproven carrier. It does sound like not much at the moment, but I think the idea behind it, that for a starting Airline and in the pandamic, to only offer 55h minium is understandable. They are offering an employment model that will appeal to some people and no other airline can/will match it so the cost differences should be sustainable. I have suggested reestablishing a mandatory retirement age for flight crew and a renaming to inflight first responders. Aviation is amazing!! I would instruct my old self to work yet harder for my lousy salary. If a for-profit-company hires someone and calls an "intern," that person is still an employee and subject to all of the requirements of the FLSA, Finally, Breeze needs to get its financial footing or their employees could all be forced out on the street. We don't really know enough at this point. Nice. I suppose if there has ever been a time where airlines can get away with hiring pilots for cheap, this is it. They relentlessly play the fear card, citing safety or at times implicitly threatening your safety. What they do at launch and what they do 2 years later can be entirely different. To be honest, many college kids waste 4 years of tuition partying and enjoying life without learning anything substantial. Over time, these airplanes are to be swapped out with Airbus A220s. I'm a retired AA captain. Young people / College students have an ability to enjoy activities that are very cheap / free. Fingers crossed and ready to go! I am over the moon thrilled! To help clarify that, the DoL requires that the intern cannot displace any worker, receive instruction equivalent to or complementary to enrolled coursework. Breeze Airways will initially fly Embraer 190s, but eventually plans to operate a fleet consisting exclusively of Airbus A220s. You get paid to sign up more people to pay union dues. Forgot to add to my previous post that it is two person corporate housing with private bedrooms (think Residence Inn by Marriott, like SkyWest training). Can't believe. Opinions expressed here are the authors alone, and have not been reviewed, approved or otherwise endorsed by any of these entities. This arrogant capitalist needs to be forced to live in poverty too. Partying and hanging out with friends is what college students are supposed to be doing. sarah nelson & its lazy fugly union peeps should meet north korean & fat Kims firing squads. All rights reserved. I suppose they could be selling the dream of having high seniority at the airline as it grows, with hope of better pay in the future, but. Flying for these rates sets a bad precedent for the rest of the industry. But lets say you have a couple of days off. for there liking only. *The whole Home Monthly is based on operational needs and must be scheduled 3 weeks prior. Contract of Carriage. Tons of excess pilot supply at the moment. It is obvious that ,"Your Highness" doesn't appreciate the one class of employees that can encourage repeat business - because flight attendants are the ONLY employees that have a constant interaction with customers. If "older experienced flight attendants" feel somehow entitled to higher pay or don't like the legal work conditions or don't like the fact that being a flight attendant inherently means time away from family, that is not Breeze's problem. document.getElementById( "ak_js" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); My neighbor is in this program. Spirit flight attendants are generally better than AA and UA. Some can force their way, others will accept any offer out of fear to lose their job. Even if/though they get corporate housing (which could also be really dismal) they've still got to pay for food. Second, the amount of flights they'll even have to offer in their first year or two is relatively small but not surprising for the type of flying they're doingie. Log in or . So Breeze may hire twentysomethings and train them, so what? I wonder what other benefits and tax breaks Breeze gets, in exchange for providing "jobs". Off topic, sorry. Pros - quick getting on plane and sitting down, a few empty seats, very fast getting luggage back to you Cons - You have to pay extra for any seat you choose. Given the circumstances, the airline carrier will be in dire need of profits to recoup its initial investments. At 5 bucks an hour. The industry does need an overall. Right now I believe there are more pilots than are needed. They are offering an employment model that will appeal to some people and no other airline can/will match it so the cost differences should be sustainable. There are many young people that lack the $$ or choose not to go into debt (student loan/s) for a traditional higher education. I suppose you're also going to apply the company town line to the internships that MIcrosoft, Google, and many other corporations have going for aspiring developers. Its stated that the role of flight attendants will be part time, as theyll work 15 days per month. First officers will be paid $55 per hour in year one, and $94 per hour in year six Captains will be paid $117 per hour in year one, and $143 per hour in year six Pilots are only guaranteed pay for 55 hours per month of flying (this is really the worst part, since pilots at most airlines are guaranteed 75+ hours per month), First officers will be paid $55 per hour in year one, and $94 per hour in year six This business model shows that there is still tremendous opportunity to drive down wring out costs in flying. ", but I actually challenge you to schedule surgery with a doctor with only a GED. Not how youd describe most 70-year-olds. I commuted weekly on Southwest out of MDW got an apartment with 5 other classmates. I don't know if they will succeed, but credit them for thinking outside the box. It gets so tiresome. The most qualified and competent FA candidates will not be happy with a job that is not only poorly paid, but offers next-to-zero chances of becoming a career with that employer, while being viewed negatively by the career employers in the field. The estimated salary at Breeze Airways ranges from approximately $14,500 per year for Team Leader to $150,907 per year for Director.. So, before any taxes at all, they would be looking at $20-30/hr. The systems are good at remembering my preferences though. They pack you in like lemmings in the dorms and during spring break we slept 12 to a hotel room. That would make for some interesting competition to Southwest. Please use the form below to contact our customer service or sales team. That minimum guarantee is just that, a minimum. I can just imagine the sick calls on the weekends. A place that likes control over everyone and everything, Mormone like. Maybe it really is a part-time gig and would be a good fit for a great many people. NGPA Expo - February 9-10 in PSP Booth 525, Women in Aviation - February 23-25 in LGB - Booth 549, TPNx April 21-22 in MCO, Currently hiring E190/195 and A220 First Officers, E190/195 Captains, and Australian Pilots that hold or have previously held an E-3 visa, New hire classes every month for the E190/195 and A220, Scheduled passenger service on the E190/195 flying consists of day trips (no overnights) with limited flying on Tuesday and Wednesday, Charter business is very robust on the E190/195 Charter flights may operate any day of the week, A220 operates a traditional schedule 7 days per week, Significant growth and expansion planned over the next 5 years, Breeze flies to 30+ cities from coast to coast, Eight A220s delivered as of August 2022 - 73 more to be delivered and options for 40 more, Ejet fleet projected to grow to 30 by 2025, A220 fleet is projected to grow to nearly 60 by the end of 2025, A new training center opened in SLC with one E190/195 simulator and one A220 simulator, $200 million in funding was raised in August of 2021. 3.Enough may feel that this is just fine for 1-2 years. Prime Minister/Moderator. I wish more airlines provided housing options. When it comes to Breeze Airways, theres good news and bad news. You think the fact they've bought a union card somehow empowers them with experience? This is absolutely exploitive. El Segundo, CA 90245, Do Not Sell or Share My Personal Information, Meet the Breeze team at upcoming events! In fact, the concept seems brilliant and hope I make it through the process and get selected. The number of terrible domestic airlines keeps increasing. I knew one guy that slept in the crew lounge and wandered DEN between trips. We are in search of the best and the brightest to join our dynamic team of aviation and people enthusiasts. Please use the form below to contact our customer service or sales team. On the other hand I have a feeling this is going to be an age discrimination lawsuit happening as soon as they figure out no one over the age of 30 is being hired for a flight attendant. Id be interested in knowing more about the contents and cost of flight attendant training programs. Who here wants to entrust their lives to "fresh" ill-paid FAs? Stay connected with the latest travel, aviation, and credit card news. Pre-Order now!Pre-Order Inflight A359FJ0623 1:200 Fiji Airways Airbus A350-941Highly detailed diecast pre-finished collector model airplane. Be honest. The comments in here are so disheartening. Just be transparent. The average pilot will make more than this. Glad I was just in time to work and fly through the good times and happily retired now. MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands The Breeze growth story is extraordinary. At 55 min, it seems like a part time job. The founder of the airline is David Neeleman, the same guy behind JetBlue. He is probably right in both those factors. The founder of the airline is David Neeleman, the same guy behind JetBlue. Many of those interns go on to be millionaires, build businesses, and manage to be +5 insightful and funny. Think lifeguards. This article mentions and quotes minimum monthly guarantee, but fails to show the pay for picking up extra flying. I'm sure Breeze will find plenty of young, naive college students who sign up for this, not realizing what they are getting themselves into. S C A R Y. Captain will make 3 times this Im surprised David Neeleman would set such low rates for pay. America is Great! If not the comparison is poor. I will make $15-20 per hour for my hard work on average when you figure all the work we do for free. For those who get hired by Breeze in this first round, I would imagine they'd be happy campers in a few years. But its gross. Not Germany, France, the UK, Japan, no one. I could have worked for the also defunct Pilgrim Airlines. And Coke Zero, make it a large. People in that position have the option of not working and watching their skills and socialization go fallow, or working and having the first and last dollar of their income taxed at 70% and more under federal and state taxation. Also even the numbers you quote put them right in line (if not slightly above) the regional peers like SkyWest. "fun little add-ons" er surely time-consuming adverts interrupting one's day asking one to pay for something high quality airlines provide as part of their price. I'm glad to see you're excited to join the industry. The wont to have pilots on there books, but wont have at the beginnig a lot of flightsSo from a business point it makes sence to have more pilots who only fligh 55h instead of having less pilots with 75h. Someone has the verb and the noun meanings of intern confused. Im glad to see youre excited to join the industry. Its schedule, price, loyalty program. Or what if you decide to get children? Expect PGD, IAG, SFB, ORH, RFD, PIT and to change seasonally. Feel sorry for the FAs but this guy could be either a genius or just throwing at the wall to see what sticks. Generous contracts of yesteryear reflect a pre-COVID world that is nothing like the current situation. If you are a green bean rookie like Cricket than you will imagine that you have won the lottery.. Must be at least 23 years old at the time of hire, Must have 1,500+ hours total time (not including simulator and/or Flight Engineer time), Current First-Class FAA Medical Certificate, Valid FCC Radiotelephone Operators Permit, Must have or be able to obtain a valid U.S. drivers license, Must have or be able to obtain a valid passport, Must be able to travel unrestricted to and from the United States, Must have authorization to work in the United States as defined by the Immigration Reform Act of 1986, High school diploma or equivalent educational achievement, FAA Unrestricted Airline Transport Pilot (ATP) certificate with airplane multi-engine class rating, Must have a minimum of 3,000 hours fixed wing time. Chances if you have surgery, you already have. That rate of pay is so low and that availability schedule requires so much flexibility that I have to imagine he isn't targeting primarily college students, who have class schedules to contend with, but high school graduates and GED holders up through their early 20s. Friday, September 30, 2022 Contact; Advertise; About Us; Subscribe; Videos; Accessibility; 0 items $0.00; Sign in. How many people truly seek out higher prices for labor solidarity? The pay scale offered is not "borderline exploitative", it IS exploitative. People forget that people have different life circumstances than their own. There are a finite quantity of qualified pilots and the barrier to entry for that work is significant. You could sit around half a day, everyday, and not get paid for it. I wish you luck in you career and travels. Word is Allegiant about to get a TA/contract that surpasses our own in pay, benefits etc. The estimated additional pay is $797 per month. Overall, it sounds like he spent his time in Brazil calculating every aspect of his U.S. comeback. Stay connected with the latest travel, aviation, and credit card news. Maybe we should let other adults be adults, and them have the freedom to figure out what works well for their own lives. This is how young doctors learn their craft in America and all over the world. It's not like America's legacy airlines are immune to hiring very young, very inexperienced people. And you're worried about the quality of housing? "The price of food is so high, they should be grateful!". $36.76. Second, the amount of flights they'll even have to offer in their first year or two is relatively small but not surprising for the type of flying they're doingie. Joined APC: Jan 2006. No other large country trains and hires their airline pilots the way we do. This number represents the median, which is the midpoint of the ranges from our proprietary Total Pay Estimate model and based on salaries collected from our users. Since most flight attendants are women - it also shows how Neeleman views females. These days she brings home a little bit more than that: she earned it. Guess if you cannot beat them, whisper sweet anti-mormon cult. What does the department of labor think about this? *Layovers will be rare (mechanical issues, weather), trip planning will be "turns" - out and back same day. Housing and travel to/from work provided. Posts: 36,185. If the pay is off the mark, the marketplace will correct this soon enough: pilots have options, and they know it. Can the U.S. not have just one decent, heck even mediocre, airline? See more about our ethics policies here. Breeze Airways is finally making its debut on May 27 just in time for Memorial Day weekend and the start of what will likely be a busy summer season. No person interactions. How much do Breeze Airways employees make? And why frankly, should businesses be saddled with this expense? Fly for less money and less stress. Do they add up for you? Never found out what would happen if you fall below 3.0. I'm sorry, a career flight attendant is absurd. Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for 1/400 Gemini Jets Breeze Airways Embraer ERJ-195AR N190BZ "2020s" at the best online prices at eBay! Profitability is how many dollars you make your investors, i.e. I don't think any new business venture in a competitive feel can be termed "exploitative." Corporate apartments with two bedrooms. Do public transportation and see the sites that are free. Not sure if labor pool for whom the model fits is really large enough to support high turnover baked into the model or can support scale to provide regular flight frequency but we'll see. Your feedback is important in helping us keep our community safe. The article also fails to factor in per diem amounts and the tax advantage that goes with that. Many may look back later in life with a better career and better economics fondly with the experience they had along with friendships made. New airline Breeze Airways releases hourly wage numbers. I explained more in my previous posts. return on investment. Maybe its just SPS. The end result will be lesser pilots and more accidents in the future. I don't see a huge ad component to revenue, which isn't how he ran JetBlue when he started it in the lowest point of the dotcom bust era. Don't knock it - they may be seeing how they can yield sufficient FA's before they go a different route entirely. Per the website, FAs can work a maximum of 60 hours per month. Poor, poor me. Would you pay your doctor, lawyer, nurse, even architect, engineer, electrician, plumber, welder etc. Breeze Airways Pilots are responsible for ensuring safe and timely flight operations in accordance with all Company policies and Federal Aviation Regulations. I will never fly them, nor will I encourage anyone to work for them or fly them, until they pay real, market rates. And many of the commenters on here will fill seats when UA is 5x the price on Are all the posts from FAs at other airlines? Rude, Fat-Fugly, Nasty, Filthy, Unfit. Are they also going to have INTERN PILOTS to fuel this business plan? Heres come the nanny union effectively telling them they arent capable of making that decision. New or retreads? $1,200/mo if you have 15 days off and $1,400/mo if only 10. By clicking the Send button, you agree to our Terms of Use and Privacy Policy, and to the use of cookies described therein, and you also consent to the collection, storage, and processing of your data in the United States where the level of data protection may be different from that in your country. People can't really be this stupid. It sounds to me like I am reading a history book about people who had to work in company housing, buying at the company store - another day older and deeper in debt. How far can this avalanche go where the top 1% get ever greater portions of the wealth, while the rest, well we dont think about them. I don't know how Breeze expects to hire the best people who invest in the job at those wages. document.getElementById( "ak_js" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Just as the cure for high prices, are high prices, the cure for low wages, are low wages. of Labor requires that to classify a worker as an intern, the intern has to be the primary beneficiary of the position, not the company. I suspect the *average* monthly paid hours across the whole year will be a lot higher. Do you really want to get on an airplane flown by people with financial problems and no better options? By clicking the Send button, you agree to our Terms of Use and Privacy Policy, and to the use of cookies described therein, and you also consent to the collection, storage, and processing of your data in the United States where the level of data protection may be different from that in your country. Go there to get flight time and then move on. JetBlue First Officers: $89 an hour for year 1 and $130 an hour by year 6, Captains at JetBlue: $192 an hour to start, then a climb to $203 an hour by year. Find Salaries Clear All The pay is horrifically low, though. Unfortunately flying is something easy to be passionate about, and the industry takes advantage. Breeze Airways Wants To Pay Pilots How Much?! Even liberal-minded folks who support workers grow to hate the rhetoric surrounding unions and union actions. Add to that COVID and these poor guys will have NO CHOICE but to fly for these asshats. Can't wait to see more innovation!! We pay the least to all our staff! Are all the posts from FAs at other airlines? 28 years represented by ALPA, walked the picket line 29 days in 1985 and was ready to do it again several times during my career to entice management to come to the negotiating table with a better contract for pilots. When I met my wife, she wanted to be a physical therapist. Yes, I'm probably talking about you dummy. Checking in Online. Even with the limited details we know, its clear Breeze will be different than other airlines, from its approach to hiring flight attendants, to its cost structure, to its fleet. No we need less and need more solid middle class jobs. Schmucks! They can't practice on their Great idea. I think it will succeed as long as they can attract enough flight attendants on an ongoing basis. Pilots from Compass and Expressjet will flock to Breeze to maintain currency. Minimum wage in Utah is $7.25/hr and cost of living there is pretty low. Bottom line: Supply and Demand principles are at play. I have no doubts in How often is the minimum guaranteed hours exceeded in a given month? Split a very inexpensive room with one or two others and have a fun time. Editorial Disclosure: The editorial content on this page is not provided by any entity mentioned herein. Seems oppressive, so they wont be seeing my business. so yes their work force has negotiated rates based on the companies success. Scary and for sure a company that will NEVER see me on any of there planes! Maybe 3 hours. Can you imagine just getting a text message your flight is canceled and you're rescheduled for 2 days laterand you can't call anyone to change it? @Samuel - Housing is a big plus and at Breeze it is included. I think they are going to offer a lot of things people actually might want to pay for, deliver them speedily and in a high quality way, and make it attractive to buy multiple products. Let him eat his own crap for breakfast lunch and dinner. Where do I sign up? It's not so nice to say, but the truth is that young untrained employees aren't always worth that much. You don't get any insurances. 28 years represented by ALPA, walked the picket line 29 days in 1985 and was ready to do it again several times during my career to entice management to come to the negotiating table with a better contract for pilots. How will Breeze compensate flight attendants? 2) Free Travel! Does the hourly rate even amount to minimum wage? It's official: Breeze is no different from any other creepy Mormon MLM scheme. David Neeleman has always been a skinflint. Before we get into the details of Breezes pilot pay, and compare it to pay at other airlines, note that: First year Breeze pilots will make $36,300. I hope it does not come off the ground and if it does, it goes bankrupt after a week. may be it is totally moronic. Starbucks employees don't plan on a career there, but they love the culture and it offers them a launching pad. The comments about this airline attracting the bottom of the barrel are unfair considering the circumstances. Then there are the wages and hours questions. Would you like to buy a filet mignon sandwich that we can hand deliver to you in your seat? Just add all these fun little add-ons where you can just click yes, yes, yes. And we can just keep dinging the credit card.. Or the app crashing? And @Ben L. is still reminiscing the best cars in the world evar, made by 100% union labor in the 1980s.
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