While I do agree that there are some things that tradition has failed on (i.e. Patrick was born in Scotland in 360 AD and sold into slavery at age sixteen and carried to Ireland. (I do love acapella singing, btw.). Select worship style. Tithing was never supposed to be for the maintenance of the house of God. Greg, Will you join us? (Quote from Dr. J. M. Carrolls booklet The Trail of Blood) These historians, in an attempt to show an unbroken line of Baptists in history, have embraced groups which were clearly not doctrinal sound. All Independent Baptist Church The Road to Emmaus Baptist Church - Monaca, PA No Reviews Favorite Claimed? The Dutch colony of New York for a time persecuted Baptists within its territories. I have never believed in obedience to a pastor just obedience to Gods Word Gilbert (7 miles) Higley (11 miles) Mesa (13 miles) Tempe (14 miles) Ahwatukee (14 miles) El Mirage (14 miles) More Types of Churches in Chandler. He brings up the subject of God and church all the time. The Calvinistic or Particular Baptists were a different group and believed in limited atonement in which only the elect could be saved. 3.) God does not lead His children by rules. Ive experienced this kind of power over and over again in the church. Examples: Billy Graham, Promise Keepers. Advanced Search Directory View All Listings Add Listing Sort By: Grace Baptist Church Pastor's Name Timothy C. Johnson Physical Address 487 Hwy. I dont believe it is a Law that one has to tithe. Protestants have never accepted the principle of separation of church and state. I have heard people argue that a certain type of dress is more attractive to the world, or woman wearing dresses sets them apart as being different. I do attend the Church of Christ. Thats all. 5.) 1 Timothy 5:17 Deception, 61. - Truth and Song I recently read an article essentially asking this same question, What's Wrong With the Independent Fundamental Baptists? teaching that all sex is dirty, etc..), I see no sense in throwing the baby out with the bath water. These new believers would then, following the New Testament example, submit to believers baptism and organize a local church. 6) teach old testament tithing new testamenent giving is found in 2 Cor 9:7 Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver. He then began to ask me questions and we had a good conversation centered around God from there on. The Puritans were in control of the colonies and in fact had set up a theocracy in which the Puritan church governed both secular and religious affairs. By 1644, these congregations grew to seven churches. 13:17, Acts 20:28, Eph. He said from the pulpit, No one ever asked me if I was a Christian while out in public! Im thinking thats not a good thing. These churches patterned themselves strictly after the New Testament example, and this made them valid churches approved of God. I do not agree with the IFB on their viewpoint of strict dress standards. But we need YOUR help to make this project successful! All but seven were above the Mason-Dixon line. Hope youll check it out. Or second, you could be referring to those who held to Baptist beliefs and were called by the name Baptist. 2 Timothy 2:24, And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient. Would someone be frowned upon if they used another translation of the bible in your church besides the KJV translation? Someone, somewhere has hurt you. As many theologians saywe can agree to disagree on some things but when it comes to the Fundamental of the Christian Faithbased on by the way what God says in the Word, then thats when one should draw the line b/c its no longer a matter of Christians in various fellowships & preferances that are allowable but then becomes a matter of even being a Christian at all (like Mormonisn, Jehovahs Wittness, Catholics, etc). I usually look fwd to these. Unaccountable. The word Independent means that the church is not a member of any council, convention or is a part of any hierarchy outside the local congregation. 4. These churches remained sound in doctrine and practicing the faith of the New Testament. 7.) @greg Robert Fry - Pastor of Bible Baptist Church in Plattsburgh, NY Deception; 75. Many Anabaptists churches were strong New Testament churches believing and following the Word of God. 8.) Also, those who God draws will come to Christ and believe in Him. King Ethelbert and his court, and a considerable part of his kingdom, were won over by the successful monk. We give out of thankfulness to God for what Christ has accomplished as we are led by the Spirit. We preach modest clothing (unfortunatly most of the girls at my church dont adhere to it in that they wear skirts that expose all but a few inches of the upper leg). Please refer to the appropriate style manual or other sources if you have any questions. You CANNOT be loving either if you are refusing to render unto the Lord that which is his, and this includes tithing. If that were the case, Paul left out the most important person/position in addressing the Phillipian saints. They are guilty of not holding the Head, the Lord Jesus Christ. As for being responsible to share the gospel with those whom God has put in our path; our daily life should show we are different by our character and the way we live. Further, he ignored the reading of the order of service and simply preached the Scriptures. Though we no longer keep the ritual and sacramental law, Gods moral laws and prophesies of things yet to come are not to be ignored. Thats kind of like being an American and never knowing enough about the nations beginnings to be able to make an intelligent decision about whether some politician is leading us away from freedom. This kind of power is frightening to meet with. This means that IFB churches do not look to creeds, confessions, or church councils to determine their doctrinal positions. Although the Roman Catholic Church claims him as one of their saints, there is no evidence he even knew the Catholic church existed. And only imagination could describe what his mind and soul was experiencing. The connection with past churches for the modern Baptist is not the name, but rather their doctrine and practice. Really!! THE BEGINNINGS OF THE BAPTISTS IN AMERICA. You seems to be as blind as the Pharisees. I believe the all scripture is given. passage to include the Old Testament, too. There are plenty of church members that disagree with the preacher on many topics. Shall we simply eradicate all sermons about sin? Heb 13:17 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they all churches that support tithingtithe a tenth of their income to building Gods kingdom. The Great Awakening stirred religious interests in the colonies and a reported great revival took place. We had an elderly woman that lifted her hands and shouted to the Lord the entire service before she went home to be with Him. For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me. Firstly, they take a denominational name: Baptist. The only power above the pastor is God, and Gods silence seems to imply endorsement and collaboration. LEARN MORE ABOUT THE DANGERS OF THE MODERNIST CHURCH Thier is nothing harmful in regard sto relating to other denominations if ny that you mean fellowships that are Christian. Lack of pastoral accountability is not the problem. I liken this to attending a Bible study without your Bible. Pastors Deserve Double Salary? Puritan churches persecuted the Baptists in America until the U. S. Constitution was made the law of the land in 1787. There were nine original members of the church which included two women. 3. After working for a few hours in our home, the Dish tech stopped working and looked at me asking, Am I correct in believing this is a Christian home I am working in? I said yes. For example inn Isle of Wight county in southeastern Virginia, Baptist preachers were taken to Nansamond River, nearly drowned by Episcopalians to show their contempt for Baptists beliefs in immersion and their rejection of infant Baptism. We use our monetary resources alone. Northwest Bible Baptist Church is an old-fashioned, independent, fundamental Baptist church in Elgin, IL that believes, preaches, and practices the Bible. http://www.nakedpastor.com/2011/01/27/total-unaccountable-power/. He also had a big thing against girls being in beauty pageants, not sure what the problem was there. In other areas Baptist churches were being formed about this same time. There were other factors, such as the show business aspects of the preaching as well as the powertripping that actually planted my difficulties to begin with. Im not sure how they upkept thier Synagogue & relate dcostbut if Im not mistaken I learned during a conference that they actually gave more than our equivalent of a tenth in regards to thier goods/wealth (like mince, spices, etc)and perhaps separate monetray covered that cost or these items were bartered/traded to pay bills. Knolleys was imprisoned many times and suffered at the hands of the State Church. I find it difficult sometimes to keep Gods sovereignty and my responsibility in balance. Showing 1-20 of 633 church listings. I do like your nice touch of calling us idiots though. My mother is divorced, as are a few others in the congregation. Generally speaking, to be Reformed means to have one's roots in the Protestant Reformation of the 16th and 17th centuries. Even after Williams left it, it continued to follow the New Testament and was not adversely effected. Offers of religious liberty drew many Baptists to settle in New Jersey. I see through to the intensions of this site. God, I believe deliberately used isolated groups in many different places during time to preserve His church and did not choose to use a line or chain of churches to past His Word and authority on to the next generation. I am a musician, so really wouldnt be very content in a church where I couldnt play an instrument and never did go there, except to attend her funeral. http://www.av1611.org/ this web site is dial-the-truth ministries, but I call them dial-the-. greg, Im made of dirt, but God is gonna let my neighbor go to Hell because the dirt-clod next door didnt give him a Chick tract!! But I dont self-identify as a Baptist any longer, I simply say that Im a christian. Personally, I try to for the most part give as I think God is pleased incl supporting Evangelism Ministrys like Compassion (that not only care for childrens physical need but also spirtual vs. the formerly known as Christian Childrens Fund now I believe under the name Child Aide, mainly becaus eCompassion confesses to be Christian & I believe to support church endeavors. Founded in June of 1980, International Baptist Missions is a ministry of Tri-City Baptist Church. Now when the head of a church & all dem that fall in line must appply apsotast (like openly Gay Pastor, etc) than you should have some of them on here big. You can tell right away that something doesnt sound right. Christians under the grace economy give out thankfulness to God for what Christ has done for them, without any compulsion. First I find your demeaning undertone disheartening. Overview of the Independent Fundamental Baptist Denomination, A Brief Survey Of Independent Fundamental Baptist Churches: What They are and What is Their History. However, history is clear that in the beginning and into the 9th Century there were churches in Britain that rejected pedo-baptism, popery and other false doctrines of the Catholics. I do dislike what seems to be human effort in trying to do what only the Spirit of God can do through a clear presentation of the word of God. He preserved His word and the Word preserved a true Gospel witness during every moment of history since Pentecost. Right down to exactly a tenth. Christ suffered and gave His life to save you from hell, it's time you start going to a church that actually believes that. Puritans and Baptists alike, to escape persecution, migrated to the New World. The purpose of the Law being fullfilled we should do all good works in Christ for we are saved to do good works. Baptists with other citizens were taxed to support the Episcopal church. 8) forbid lifting of hands during the service, some of the IFB churches are more lenient on this matter that others. He became an outspoken Separatist or dissenter of the State church. I found a load of stuff about people who claim certain Calvarly Chapels misueded them & did not know Bible & also on ehere in Maryland has a onliune tithe on website! Clearly, he was banished because he believed in religious freedom and believed and taught the New Testament was a believers sole source for his faith and practice. There are no rules about what to give at all. This is the true heritage the Fundamental Baptists holds dear, there have always been assemblies which submitted themselves only to the sole authority of the Word of God. Independent fundamental Baptist churches include those loosely affiliated in fellowshipsmore common in the Northas well as those whose pastors may share particular networksmore common in. In Virginia, Baptist were not welcome. 14Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell. Proverbs 23:13-14 see how silly that way of using scripture is? He, however, continued to preach by holding services in his own home. There were however, many Baptists who loved the Word of God and held true to it and refused to abandon teaching the New Testament. Up to this time Williams was not a Baptist. Everyone knew this was a farce. (My family moved alot when I was a child, and Ive attended 7 different IFB churches in 4 different statesnot all of them are same, but my current one for the last 10 years is great), I had a long response here, but I received and error. I would directly compare doctrine and practices using scripture to make the assertion which is correct. Praise the Lord she started going back to church recently. Biblical Mandate for BaptistDeception.com. My point is that Tithing is good since Jesus says they should not have left it undone. These distinctives are the distinctives taught in Bible which constitute a true New Testament church. These worldly churches still call themselves Baptists but in fact they do not believe or practice what true Baptists have historically believed and more importantly what the Word of God says. Adulterous generally hide their actions. 2) tell you what kind of music to listen to Most Baptist churches were in the past founded on the sound doctrinal teachings of the New Testament, however, many of them have in varying degrees drifted away from many of the teachings of the Scriptures. John was Gods true prophet and the forerunner of the Messiah Jesus Christ, but he was not a part of the dispensation of the institution of the local church. . I believe that the Bible is clear on what is modest apparel. It cannot be stated too often that the importance of these churches was not in their name, but in what they believed and practiced. I have gone to Dayspring in Wisconsin and Hillcrest in El Paso and both have apps if you want to check them out. Because of persecution by the Anglican church of all who disagreed with it and who refused to agree to its authority, John Smyth had to flee England. Later Presbyterians, Episcopalians and Methodist were added to the lists of Protestants denominations. A true New Testament church bases its faith, practice and authority solely in the Word of God. I was able to better understand the New Testament. @greg He did not belong to, nor was part of the any ekklesia. Yes he baptized, but His baptism was the baptism of repentance (Matt. The KJV is a wonderful translation and very valid for its time, and you, like many others love it for its beautiful shakesperean english. 53, Cornhill, 1813, Fundamental Baptist CD ROM Library, 1701 Harns Rd. @Fran The message is set. They were intolerant to anyone who did not agree to the authority of the Puritan church, which was supported by a governmental church tax of all the people. This group is to help Pastors locate KJV IFB Churches. Lynne, why is tithing so important to you anyway? Many Baptist churches have Trustees, but their position was established in order to have legal signatories to sign legal documents of the church. This would explain the abrasiveness with which you deliver what should be the most joyous information of the Gospel of Christ Jesus our Lord and Savior. 6:30, Titus 1:9-11, II Tim. This is the only point that I disagree with of IFB doctrine. I understand what you are saying by the verses you referenced in John. And Im so glad for the Great Is Thy Faithfulness versefavorite song! To hold to the secessionist position takes the authority away from the New Testament and places it in the hands of man. -Ray, My church preaches those five points and we are an IFB church. Again, its not about how we dress, but about who we are. You cannot read psalms w/out seeing those raised hands. Even the Roman Catholic Church which boasts of his unbroken history cannot prove an unbroken line of churches earlier than the Third Century, and what Catholicism teaches today in no way resembles what the New Testament teaches or what the early churches believed and practiced. And to top it off you have very strange sayings that I have no idea what they mean, the last half of the verse at Acts 9:5 is an example It is hard for thee to kick against the pricks WHAT! Just curious. Surely, no church that practiced false doctrine, as many of these groups did, can in truth be called a Baptist church. But when we begin to paint entire church groups with the broad brush of generalities then OUR motives become suspect. When it's Time To Leave Thoughts on Breaking Away, 73. The church government of many Independent Baptist churches are to have pastors and deacons as officers of the local church. I think I already addressed that point. They practice the Biblical teachings of separation as stated in Ephesians 5:11, which says, Have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. G.L. Bob Just want to commend you on how clearly you are able to elucidate on a given topic, Im envious. If you want to be under law, you need to keep all 613 commandments of the Mosaic law. He was talking about ceremonial law not moral law I think you are confusing those two. That shows your lack of emotional maturity. (See also Gal. The first is the United Church of Christ and secondly is the one I refer to, Independent Churches of Christ. [CDATA[ You are correct, I was surprised. Some of his former congregation in Salem joined him and they set up a colony. No tithing is not mandated, no good work is..just as no good work can save us. Independent Baptist churches (some also called Independent Fundamental Baptist or IFB) are Christian congregations, generally holding to conservative (primarily fundamentalist) Baptist beliefs. I am currently working on a research paper in seminary. , Oak Harbor, Washington 98277). As far as I can tell, we are not cultic in any way and just like any other denomination we have our doctrinal differences. Exposing the Dangerous Teachings of the Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Denomination, Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Deception 2009-2020, Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Deception. Churches dont have the right to make rules about dress apart from Scriptural guidelines and principles. KJV Bibles are the best translations because they do not take out the blood of Jesus from scripture as the other versions along with other things. 451 Likes, 8 Comments - Spencer Smith (@spencersmith312) on Instagram: "I was saved at 18 at an independent, fundamental baptist church. I believe that the King James Version is the inspired, preserved Word of God for the English speaking people In North Carolina the first Baptist church was started in the northeastern coastal region at Perquimans, in Chowan County in 1727. There is every value in appealing only to present adherence to the New Testament as ones sole authority for faith and practice. The sole authority for any true church is Gods Word and not it founder, or its heritage. He soon embraced Separatists ideas and decided to leave England. If someone wanted to Tithe down to a tenth of all they owned & sell or give value of itIm sure they could. Thank you for your help! In Germany, the state church is Lutheran and in England, the Anglican church, France, the Roman Catholic Church, etc. This is just too weird for me to not comment on. Ok, so Im pretty sure you are referring to the Church of Christ that was founded by good ol Thomas Campbell (1763-1854) He was a fine Scottish Presbyterian who left Ireland to come to western PA. in 1807. We dress however we want, however, my Pastor chides me in good nature, because I frequently wear black clothing, but he is not being critical. Bottom line, tithing was commanded for Jews under Law. 5. Historically, Baptists were never a part of the Roman Catholic Church or the Protestant Reformation and therefore can not be correctly called protestors or Protestants. This is the largest christian gathering in the U.S. attracting more than 100,000 last year. I sat next to this mans bed for hours as he screamed in agony and torment. @greg Here is the Scripture Im refering to: In Luke 11:42 he says, But woe to you Pharisees! adhering to correct doctrine and proper practices should be the focus in our lives. The Independent Fundamental Baptist church could be defined as a cult given the multiple definitions of a cult and the characteristics of the IFB. Where the pastors power is total? We believe that Jesus is the only one who can reconcile us to God. Catholicsm is beyond a denomination & a religious institution with some Christian tenants. However, history does not record even one Anabaptist group or church becoming or founding a Baptist church. BEREAN BAPTIST CHURCH. 5) shun folks that have left the church I really dont know how to describe it. John was beheaded by Herod (Matt. We are an old-fashioned, independent, fundamental, King James Bible only, soul-winning Baptist church. If other will share. The powertrip, which is all Ill call it, was even noticed to be among some of the laypersons who were ushers, or just people who knew people. mint, rue and all manner of herbs all agricultural products from the land. I still attend a tiny (20-30 on Sunday) Baptist Church, and yes it is IFB. Please scroll down to find a list of articles for your convenience. Not just the New Testament. Men meeting the Biblical qualification of deacons (servants) (1 Tim. -What about the Jerusalem Council in Acts (I believe I am using the right title here, but I have not check my accuracy)? Some Baptist historians, have made attempts at doing this, but in many cases refer to groups as early Baptists who did not in fact hold to pure Baptist beliefs as held today. Please anyone readng this, go back and take a couple weeks and seriously read through the gospels again, over and over, our Lord talks about, and condemns pharisees and others for dressing up the outside and not being concerned about the inside, btw if the inside is right the outside will follow. Rachael God bless you!! The line of English churches that can be traced, who called themselves Baptists, began in 1610 in Holland. If people would only study the Word of God for themselves and stop being pew sitters and believe everything the pastor says of gospel truth theyd be able to spot a false doctrine/teacher a mile away. God bless. I cannot judge this man. Today we are excited to announce Independent Baptist Churches. His crime was that rejected the unbiblical ideas of a state church, infant baptism and other false teachings of the Puritans. After Henry VII separated England from the Roman Catholic Church the Baptist faired no better. It is my conviction that this is contrary to the very foundation of what is a true New Testament church. Thanks for your response. However, bottom lineJesus never shared but truth to all incl Phairsees so if His position on tithing was as being not to be left undonethan I believe it stands as something that is good to do, pleasing to God. She eventually left because my uncle (divorced numerous times himself), rode her case about it. Most of the Anabaptists successors became the Mennonites, Amish and Quakers. That is what saved believers have always believed, because that is what the New Testament which is Gods Word to man says. Failure to pay the tax brought the wrath of the civil and church leaders and people were publicly beaten, placed in stocks, fined, imprisoned, and banished from the colony by the civil authorities under the direction of the Puritan church officials. I would either be kicked out or asked to put on something to wear. Greg, In Europe, Protestant churches are state churches and supported to some degree by government imposed taxes. The faulty logic here comes from not paying attention to the Scripture. 3:2) for Jews who were preparing for coming Messiah and Kingdom God had promised them. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright . Nothing comforted. Independent Fundamental Baptist churches have fellowship one with the other and often cooperate in such endeavors as evangelism. with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you. He said he could tell because I had a joyful spirit. In 1700, a Baptist minister, William Rhodes began to hold meetings on Long Island and in 1724 organized the first Baptist church there. Baptists, including IFB Baptists, are all deceived. They do not find support in the Bible for such a requirement. However, let me strongly say there has always existed an unbroken line of churches who have not erred from the faith, and been true to the Bible, Gods Word. Have been over twenty years, and have attended probably ten or more IFB churches here in Ohio and elsewhere, and I have never met an IFB pastor who didnt include scriptures from the Old Testament as well as the New Testament, in his sermons.
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