Not very fast. There was crazy storiesfrom Westside days, great times at meets and a lot of other fun stuff that isn't fit to talk about in this setting. Nowadays Vlad concentrates on his raw squat making a mind-blowing 1113-pound squat for the raw world record. I asked him why it took so long. But all still holds the world record at 42 of 1,140 lbs. Amazing What happens is, he makes progress and everyone else gets overtrained. Folks on the net say that he has 800 because he did 782, three times. Lots of volume on small exercises. power lifting is starting to become a success as lifters from all around the Plus, 80 percent of the training is on small special exercises. I learned a very valuable lesson about powerlifters: Theres powerlifters who absolutely are, or athletes in general theres athletes that love to win and theres athletes that fucking hate to lose. All raw. 3) Perform your supplemental work in circuit fashion but still HEAVY. EFS: First, thanks for letting us do this interview. In Daytona, KP called for 722 but was miss-loaded to 821. Westside has the box jumping record at 63.5 inches. Two things became apparent: first, there was an overspeed eccentric phase due to the bands pulling you downward due to the elastic properties of the rubber itself and second, it caused an increase in muscle mass. The OpenPowerlifting project aims to create a permanent, accurate, convenient, accessible, open archive of the world's powerlifting data. hated me, along with his sister, or wife, or both, Im not sure. This builds incredible strength in the glutes and hips, which is where punching power originates. Coaches should include max effort training in every athlete's training plan. The next week, we had 175 lb. While this It is still a major part of our bench training at Westside. for him, but because of his hips, his firs two attempts at 782 were red lighted. But on that day, Rob beat Dave. I started Kenny Patterson at 14. Here are some of our success stories: Jay Fry came to Westside to train under George Halbert, a multi-class world record holder. Now that Wes has found his weakness, he works on his speed continuously along with his flexibility. For assistance work, we train certain single-joint lifts with high volume. There's no better squat for powerlifting training than a wide-stance box squat. I only ask you to train to your absolute strength. I recall two powerlifters from Pittsburgh using the same system and both could bench 500 pounds in the late 1960s. I told John Inzer. It's straight up that simple. Geoff Girvitz is the founder of Bang Fitness in Toronto. he was the lightest man ever to squat 1,000 lbs. Improve your form and get a mechanical advantage boost. At the same time, he also built up his lockout. I had no warm-ups and bombed out. So while I lay in the hospital bed, I read all the books I could from the Soviet Union (they were miles ahead of us). His best pull in a meet is 804 pounds and you don't pull over 800 pounds without picking up a few tricks of the trade. Long live King George. So a novice should do one extra workout a week for upper body and one extra workout for the lower body, targeting whatever's needed. Along with his lifting achievements, JL holds a bachelor's degree in exercise science and is a former University of Kentucky strength coach. But all still holds the world record at 42 of 1,140 lbs. Louie Simmons Ryan bombed out and Fusdog broke the 308-pound world record for his first world record. It goes without saying (though Dave says it) that Chuck Vogelpohl hated to lose more than he liked to win. I had to choose who to bet on it will be Ryan!! It's too easy. Essentially, grabbing the bar was a way to start shit. of band tension. The bench came from Kmart, it was about 8 in. If you don't feel a movement switch it the next workout. and got to keep the bench. Much like a rabbit in track. came second to Frank doing a 2425 total. At a meet in Dayton, Ohio, Jay benched 525 pounds at 181 body weight. Even today, John Inzer is a great friend to Westside and its lifters, helping out in any way possible. In his first meet he did not know what lift was first. Chuck Vogelpohl Powerlifter ATWR Holder, Strength and Conditioning Coach. would only use 45s. 19:53. One reason he was having a problem was that he needed to gain more size on his legs. Once you master the initial setup and the basic mechanics of the lift, you'll quickly see that the greatest opportunity to improve comes from putting the bar down better. So, Dave grabbed the bar from Chuck; since they were lifting in a power rack instead of the monolift, they were in a tighter spot to face off. Don't get us wrong, a 500-pound deadlift is pretty respectable. His 628 lb. That's the key. Look at it this way: Assuming you're not a contortionist, forgetting to squat down will exhaust your range of motion at the hips before the bar has touched down. old in 1997). world record at SHW in the 80s. But they could not be psyched out. He hit his head hard on the floor. No third attempt because he hurt his shoulder. Frank also ended up with a 2562 total and folks it will Plus Waterman showed up as well. Unfortunately, this guy has to grind with 150-200 pounds less than what my guys use because we're that much stronger. George pushed up the JM presses and included a lot of close-grip step-incline presses. George said a great monument in his past was watching KP at John Inzers bench meet. Your hips move, your knees move, and even your ankles move. Posts. For the veterans among your Vogelpohl ancestors, military collections provide insights into where and when they served, and even physical descriptions. There are 162 immigration records available for the last name Vogelpohl. We don't care if you have bumpers on the bar (which just means you aren't very strong because you can't go over 500 with bumpers), but don't ever, ever, let go of the bar and drop it from the top. The bench made it possible for him to break the world 308-pound total record three times while at Westside. Everyone takes shots at Westside. He was the greatest squatter of all time. The Max Effort day should be spaced 72 hours from the corresponding Dynamic Effort day. Sign up for our newsletter and get new articles sent straight to your inbox weekly. He suffered an injury back in 2001 and is Think of speed strength as a transmission in a car. And Chuck V., Dave Tate, and myself in the squat and deadlift. Until after the workout, Mickey Tate says to me, Dont ever do that again. hybridstrength@yahoo.com And please feel free to talk about your old Westside stories I always love hearing about the crazy things you guys have seen/done. It's the thing that almost all lifters are f*cking up and the reason their pull is stuck. He missed. But, I had him by his long hair and beard and attempted to make him look like Linda Blair in The Exorcist. The Vogelpohl surname is derived from the German words Vogel, meaning 'bird', and Pool, meaning 'pond', or 'pool'. But soon he thought there must be limits to how fast a seagull could fly. He was gone. Or so I thought. I stopped breathing for four minutes and had to be trached as well as given chest tubes. Then it made sense. On the other hand, when I got AJ Roberts he already had a 2400 total. Scot calls out Ryan and Ryan accept it. About 25 percent of the load was made up of chain weight and 50 percent to 60 percent was with the barbell. And btw, Chuck Vogelpohl competes at 220 and squats in the 1000s[/quote] Which is just ridiculous . If you keep moving, be aware you get no extra credit for doing a back bend at the top of your deadlift. Dave Tate steps up to bat and to answer this question since he trained with Chuck at Westside Barbell. Expert Insights To Get Stronger, Gain Muscle Faster, And Take Your Lifting To The Next Level. Joe McCoy was a young, great lifter at the time, winning a WPC world at 19 years old. He was going to Ball State and wanted to come train at Westside. You said you would see what they wanted. Fat slobs are supposed to die from unhealthy habits. JL Holdsworth is a world-champion powerlifter, grip-sport competitor, and former member of Westside Barbell. This really raised the tension. And Waterman always did great, but not on a slippery 8 in. The clanging of plates is a beautiful zen sound that only the devil himself would want to eliminate. Chuck Vogelpohl is a powerlifting legend. Here is how it was accomplished. Vlad met his first goals at a meet in Columbus, Ohio, making an 1100-pound squat and an 805 deadlift. And then there's inverse curls, ab work, upper pec work, etc. Jim Wendler of 5-3-1 Fame, although it does not add up, trained at Westside. Chuck Vogelpohl, one of powerlifting's favorite personalities and longtime team cornerstone, has left Westside Barbell Club. And next weekend, we'll have five. This was a setback, to say the least. Throughout the years, Westside Barbell has produced some of the strongest bench presses in the Building a strong, fast, and resilient athlete calls for a coach to leave no stone Over the past week, I have covered the basics of max-effort training. I thought, He knows how to strain, but I guess that is how he discovered to do so. I remember JM doing 585 lbs. As we came into the lifting, all we heard my name called. Jon Call is the perfect candidate to attempt recreating Chuck Vogelpohl's Squat session. deadlift. In 1940, Farmer and Stenographer were the top reported jobs for men and women in the USA named Vogelpohl. It was really funny at the time back to York. 22:04. Week 1 they used 430x3 sets of two reps. Jake was somewhat faster. In 1994, Powerlifting USA reported that "Matt Dimel died suddenly on Apr 9, 1994, when he suffered either a stroke, a seizure, or perhaps an aneurysm. class with a 1014 squat, 622 bench, and 766 deadlift. Thu Oct 13, 2016. He had a terrible injury to both knees and was having trouble with it, he felt the fear of pain. I now present to you The Iron Man; Chuck Vogelpohl. bench press. This keeps you from getting injured. Seven of them are box squatters. Jay went on to break two world records ending with 750 pounds at 181 body weight, which still stands on our record board. out a lifter who much has the biggest quads I've ever seen. Now, if you're in a meet or going for a max attempt, we're cool with you letting all the tension out and doing a controlled drop before you celebrate a massive PR. I asked him, What do you get out of lat pull downs? He said, Nothing, I just like to do them. I also asked him, What do you get out of those heavy pulls? He said they taught him how to strain. As George opened up with 633 and went on to bench 678 to cap off a three world-record rampage, Dave said to the author, I got some competition now. Yes, Dave, you certainly do. If you want to get strong, the system is foolproof and works for anyone. But, we finally killed the rabbit. In York, PA, at the IPA World Cup, Rob was lifting against Dave Barno, a strong competitor and friend. Approximately 1,431 people bear this surname. I have Matt carry a barrel wrestlers have to get their hips to the opponent, and the only way to carry a 55 gallon barrel is to jam the hips up into it. Jonathan said in amazement, How did you do that?, The elder seagull named Chang answered, Perfect speed is being there.. I let my lifting do the talking. In 93, I wrote an article in Powerlifting USA, entitled Three of a Kind. They are largely reproduced from 3rd party sources; diligence is advised on accepting their validity -, Heatmap: Dark red means there is a higher occurrence of the name, transitioning to light yellow signifies a progressively lower occurrence. I've seen Chuck do inhuman things, and have had the pleasure of training with him for a long time. That's more work, or more wear and tear, to get the same job done. In Texas, John Inzer put on a Bash for Cash along with Joe McCoy. Then, his new training partner, Chuck Fouks, broke it with his monster deadlift, making 900 lbs. The GPP must closely match SPP for your sport. For the squat, the proven method of two strength cycles lasting two weeks was done and two circa max cycles were done in a yearly plan. The only barbell lifts he does are basically Zercher squats or sumo deadlifts. He called Matt Dimel, who had been stuck at 820 pounds for a year, and told him to give it a try. Stop hating the sumo deadlift. This means if you're not strong enough to lower the bar correctly, you shouldn't be picking that weight up anyway. I started applying everything I could, which means I started applying science to weights. Louie used to do that lactic acid threshold training in front of newer Westside lifters but never tell them that he was standing up with less weight. As with any squat, the knees and butt must move down. click here! You must switch up the exercises to avoid the law of accommodation. Well, there is In nine months Matt made 700 pounds easy. His competitive best lifts include a 905-pound squat, 775-pound bench press, and an 804-pound deadlift. When the other persons looking tired, thats when you might try to up the ante (or the weights) and crush their spirits. Westside had begun an 18-month experiment with using chains for AC. One of his plateaus was a sticking point near to the top of the squat. Chuck was one of the strongest men I ever trained with. The deadlift is a simple movement. For the best experience on our site, be sure to turn on Javascript in your browser. It was adding speed strength to his program. bodyweight. dumbbells, for those who could do them. As weights get heavier, they get slower due to gravity. has done 800 while Scot invents controversy over the net by talking like a At 220 lbs. I woke up three days later and spent another four days afterwards in the hospital. With a 450-pound raw bench, George knew Jay had to learn to use a bench shirt more efficiently, so he trained in a shirt 23 weeks in a row on M-E day. KP made a 688 lb. Frank was also intent on breaking the deadlift record made Louie Simmons That's how we don't overtrain everything is governed by your maximum strength. That makes things less efficient and compromises your ability to move some real weight around. He retired with a 2855 and best lifts of 2930 in three short years. Chuckie is getting close to the 2500 barrier when he did 2245 total. He was the greatest squatter of all time. sloth that drops dead, no one takes notice. A secret weapon was his training partners such as Luke Edwards who would battle it out every day, never giving an inch. After getting a reload, it had taken too much out of him, and Waterman won, again. All Rights Reserved. He was a great training partner with his Zippy fired personality, along with Chuck V. who could never do enough in the workouts, and the two carried me along with them. Walking up to the party my wife and I realized how that really seems like yesterday but was a decade ago.It was a great time and we talked about a lot of good times that we had been through and some not so good. Their sets kept going up, and Chuck started to look tired. You can find birthdates, death dates, addresses and more. A short lifespan might also indicate health problems that were once prevalent in your family. It's the system. squat at 264 lbs. To see Chuck compete in person is a very visceral experience eliciting a sense of wariness in those that get close. Passenger lists are your ticket to knowing when your ancestors arrived in the USA, and how they made the journey - from the ship name to ports of arrival and departure. I can thank Kenny for my success. Travis Mash has rose to the top at 220 breaking Eddie Coan's total record, not once but twice. I just read some coach arguing that you need to "learn how to grind." In The United States those holding the Vogelpohl last name are 8.15% more likely to be registered with the Republican Party than the national average, with 54.92% registered with the political party. Im at my peak at this point in time. monster in strength. case maybe true, Ryan Kennelly is not to be counted out. George knew he had to build a lockout like Kennys. Ok, Scot Mendelson had his day at the bench attempting 782, which was easy How much is too much band tension? Generally speaking, though, don't be a douchebag and drop the bar from the top. Don't listen to what people say but look at what they have done to see if they are an expert. I remember Mickey Tate was at Vanhorns gym one Sunday to bench with the rest of our top benchers. Phil had reached a double plateau in the squat and deadlift, but Goodmornings for a stronger back and wide box squats to build his hip strength, left Phil a lifting legacy at Westside he can be proud of forever. Matt Wenning talks Chuck Vogelpohl!Want to know the specifics? Special strength plays a great role in strength training, but it is important to know what you need and, more important, to train it. Never having done a single Goodmorning, Phils deadlift shot up to 620 pounds very fast once he started this work. dumbbells, which no one could do 20 reps of. A. J. made 740-pound bar weight and 440-pound band tension that equaled 1180 pounds at the top. total at 63 years old, 20 years after I had retired, making top 10 for 30 years and a USPF Elite Total for 37 years. It persisted continuously, so Doug would only do mild incline and decline presses. So I said, Sure. This allows you to bring out your strengths. The surname Vogelpohl is primarily found in The Americas, where 62 percent of Vogelpohl live; 62 percent live in North America and 62 percent live in Anglo-North America. champ at the WPO but also the heavyweight champ at 275 lbs. Just f*cking stop when the hips reach extension. Then, in a flash, it was at his side. For other possible spellings of this surname click here. Thanks KP. Chuck: Oh, yes. in a shirt. Some can find a way to overcome a training plateau, while others cannot and stop training forever. The most Vogelpohl families were found in USA in 1880. But, when we got in the gym, he started putting on wraps and all kinds of painers. All right reserved. After a while, he stopped and I let go of two hands full of hair. Ano is also another This time George beat Dave, 650 to 628. Chuck V.: Thanks. Solid control and tension is warranted 99% of the time for just about everyone, but all that being said, you don't have to act like you're putting the bar down on top of a bunch of robin's eggs. bench. Sign up for Patreon and get the exact programming Matt recommends for each modality. That's why it works for everybody. If any of the above technical issues feel familiar, it's time to clean things up because unnecessary wear and tear adds up. Conditioning was on point., Dave was on Week 1 of a four-week wave and it was easy for him. It only lasted about three minutes. Other than that it's all box squats. Surnames are taken as the first part of an person's inherited family name, caste, clan name or in some cases patronymic, Descriptions may contain details on the name's etymology, origin, ethnicity and history. and at the time, you only got up to 100 lbs. Among the Rob was also very strong in all the powerlifts. Phil Harrington first called Westside for help on his deadlift. If anything when Ryan and Scot compete in March, it will be will close but if This was not an easy task as the worlds best lifter at the Arnold Classic. At the meet Jake made an 1135-pound meet personal record. As an expert, he's become keenly aware of the single most important and under-coached aspect of the deadlift, which is how you set the bar down when doing reps or, as he likes to refer to it, the dead-lower. He also on the heels of Frank who, like a juggernaut, keeps Ano Turtianinen has been the leanest 275 lifter I've seen in a while. Get a bulletproof core. It had to be the high reps in the deadlift. So let's say you squat 400 pounds. Kenny Patterson was the youngest to hold an open world record at 19 years old with a 716 lb. Sure, he couldve gone through a few more rounds, but the fact of the matter was he wasnt going to be Chuck. We were the only gym with three 600 lb. This will happen at most four times per year. Then Chuck nailed the next couple of box squats. He inspires both awe and fear and is known to be one of the most intense lifters ever with a meet focus that is unparalleled in its sheer ferocity. A lot happened from 1991-2000 at Westside. His best pull in a meet is 804 pounds and you don't pull over 800 pounds without picking up a few . But, I told him, he must touch his chest, after all that is the hardest part of the lift for most. Chuck Vogelpohl would eventually not only break world records, but do so in three different weight classes. In an effort to show the world that he's the best bencher, Scot tries 804 but For the best experience on our site, be sure to turn on Javascript in your browser. Rob lifted and tore his peck completely off in his opener, and was then gone for good. It is in my head. I was relieved for a while. Dave Hoff came to Westside as a 15 year-old high school football player. In The United States it is most common in: Ohio, where 17 percent are found, Kentucky, where 14 percent are found and Maryland, where 12 percent are found. The true experts and legends of strength sport got there from doing great things and toiling in the trenches for years. This made Chuck very strong and amazingly explosive and he became a world record holder in three weight classes. Some people say, "Louie is only successful because he hand-picks the strongest lifters in the world!". McCoy did 515, but at 184 lbs. The four workouts during the year raised A. J.s squat strength up to become Westsides third 1200-pound plus squatter. Think of this as setting up the setup for your setup. Today, you see Greg benching 570 raw without a handout. At 16 and 170 pounds, he was squatting 800, benching 500, and deadlifting 600. Then, a few weeks after KP made 728 to make him the greatest bencher of all time. According to Dave Tate, Chuck had just gotten out of his neck brace after hed broken his neck (Matt Dimel broke it) and had been squatting for a couple of weeks. Like today, only top ranked lifters trained at Westside back in the 90s. At 220 Chuck Vogelpohl has owned the squat record at 1025 but has worn out his welcome at 220 and will compete at 242 in Atlanta Georgia. Sometimes we'll do straddle-leg good mornings (one leg out in front) which simulates single and double-leg takedowns. You earned it. George started losing body fat but kept his bench strong. Jimmy told George that he could do more in a shirt, but George said he made only 473 lbs. getting back into contest form for the WPO Semifinals. It's called a training facility, not a library. think Ryan is going to "blow" away the competition proving that he's the world's While driving I said, Look you fat Fer, it is in your head. Now I am waiting for him to smack me in the mouth, like he did many times. They equal 100 pounds in the bottom and 200 pounds at the top. record did not last long before George finally had a good meet. In this 135th episode of Dave Tate's Table Talk Podcast, Dave Tate sits down with several of his old training partners from Westside, known as the OG AM crew. Chuck Vogelpohl, a long-time Westside lifter who won his first National in 1987, was strong from the start, especially in the back and hips, but he had to overcome two plateaus. But George went on to his first 600 lb. With the explosion in the internet since the late 1990s, Powerlifting competitors and fans around the world have been able to see the best lifters compete and train. He managed to break the squat record twice, broke the bench record three times For example, Chuck Vogelpohl would do speed squats with 405-455 in a 3-week wave with one set of strong Jump-Stretch bands. However, you should still be able to put the bar down without scaring the grandad in the back of the gym as he tries to do his rotator cuff rehab exercises in peace. Another reason you need to work speed is technique. It was a great time and we talked about a lot of good times that we had been through and some not so good. strength athlete who drops dead . The weights were set at 405 for box squats. Now, however, he could try to break his speed records whenever he wanted to. At worst, you're putting unnecessary stresses on your joints and practicing sloppy mechanics. Little did I know, I would return again for yet another 20 years, But, lets talk about the men who made Westside what it is today. Matt was only 33 years of age.". And so we named it the JM Press. At Westside, we use a particular weight and particular bar speed, and we control the volume by how strong you are. Sprinkle in a lot of coaching time with Louis Simmons, Dave Tate, Steve Goggins, and Eddie Coan, and JL turned into a professor of the deadlift. His name was Zippy in the gym, when the crazy came out to play. He passed on his third attempt saving I ran over to help him up once he came to. He trained with George Halbert and Kenny Patterson, along with the others. I started Kenny Patterson at 14. It's all based on you. JavaScript seems to be disabled in your browser. cambered bar, it bent so much under heavy weights. Gerry O was to win a national championship. Within census records, you can often find information like name of household members, ages, birthplaces, residences, and occupations. By placing the bands on the barbell, they gave a more even displacement over the entire range of motion. of bar weight plus 640 lbs. Written by Team Juggernaut Full Name: David Brandon Lilly Date of Birth: 3/14/1982 Height: 6'0" Weight: 315-325 Hometown: Berea, KY Current City: Richmond, KY Years Training: 12 , Powerlifting 6+/- Gym Name & Location: Berea Barbell in Berea, KY and Lexen Xtreme in Columbus Occupation: Data Board Assembly A. J. pushed them hard and as a result, his bench shot up almost 200 pounds to 915 pounds. Jumping is explosive power. The surname Vogelpohl is found most in The United States. The solution was Goodmornings. At the end, there was $10,000 in cash and prizes for the winner. They had no idea who would show up for that kind of cast. By signing up to the mailing list you will only receive emails specifically about name reference on Forebears and your information will not be distributed to 3rd parties. Dave is gone now, but he was a good friend. Brandon Lilly is the creator of the Cube Method, he is also a Elite level powerlifter having best lifts of 1,008 in the squat, 832 in the bench, and 804 in t. Steve Wilson, who was training with Matt and had an 815-pound deadlift, agreed that they both would give it a try using 225 to 275 pounds for two or three sets of deadlifts of 20 reps four times a week. He said they hurt his elbows and we said it hurt because the tendons and ligaments must be conditioned to withstand the work needed to push a big bench. Frank was He had already made an Elite Total. But that was Tom, Westside to the bone, forever. Shooting the knees forward and sliding the bar down the quads like they're a ramp will launch you into shitty deadlift land. Even though this helps to increase the excitement in powerlifting, others The deadlifts are done on all four major workout days and done as fast as possible in touch-and-go style. He is the man behind the JM Press. putting me third in the Open World plus fourth in the total, at 50 years old. So, an 800-pound squatter would lift a total of 9,600 pounds (480 lb x 2 reps x 10 sets). *We display top occupations by gender to maintain their historical accuracy during times when men and women often performed different jobs. Simmons, Mr. Simmons, can I talk to you? I said sure. bodyweight. This builds mechanical power. This builds lateral power and has made him incredibly strong. For us, that's moving the bar at 0.7 to 0.9 meters per second (mps), with bands attached to limit bar deceleration. Vlad came to Westside wanting to squat 1100 pounds and deadlift 800 pounds. As long a gym isn't doing what we're doing, I know they have no chance to beat us. It was low at 560 pounds for a 181-pounder. bodyweight. View Census Data for Vogelpohl | Data not to scale. Everyone has experienced a training plateau in one lift or another. The box felt high, but it was the same 13-inch box he always used. himself for the other two lifts, but his focus was so intense it could light up It also builds cardiovascular and muscular endurance at the same time. He had to retire early due to personal obligations and Ryan went on to become one of the greatestif not the greatestbench presser of all time breaking all-time world records and ending with a mind-blowing 1075. But, Marcus won best lifter. A.J. Tommy Fannon's Outlaws board is discussing it here and here. Illinois had the highest population of Vogelpohl families in 1880. Chuck Vogelpohl became his training partner and his understanding of the deadlift changed forever. Source: Dictionary of American Family Names 2nd edition, 2022. Let's just say I'm pretty sure. Since they didnt have the monolift, they used the power rack for dynamic day. In one year Wes totaled 2020 pounds with a world record 890-pound squat, a 585-pound bench, and 605 deadlift. I can go on Look, this is nothing I'm doing. In 1982, when I broke my lower back for the second time, I knew I had to change what I was doing. You're 40% stronger eccentrically than concentrically. Even though he took second to Steve Goggins, it will only be a matter of time. Now, George went on a tear, on the next 9 attempts he made 8 world records. Dave or his helpers did not realize we made the change and he was left to make a personal record. Fusdog broke mental plateaus by lifting against the worlds best. I need to be challenged. Then, he loaded 550 lbs. It started to happen. He beat Goggins in the squat with 1019 making the record. MORE OF CURTIS' POWERLIFTING ARTICLES. When JL first started powerlifting, he sucked at the deadlift, so he sought out the best. 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